今天,在好积友分享了《战狼2告诉你,持中国护照可以安全回国?国航:No way!》后,不少朋友都并不是很明白这个事主描述的经过和事情的真相,紧接着又冒出各种的洗地文章比如:《拿中国护照也不能回国?揭蹭战狼热点的航空事件真相》。总体来收,洗地文章都是各种让没有亲身经历过这种事情的老百姓恐惧,不能这样购买机票。同时也让好积友产生了参与讨论的兴趣,因为此次事件也是一次让广大民众能够普及一些民用航空的知识和技巧。总的来说,此次事件就是大公司欺负老百姓,然后事主写文章有点没抓到重点,太感性。

如果原作者大珠三角的KC akiikii看到此文,欢迎和好积友联系,我们可以帮你通过法国民航总局向国航索赔

背景

首先要说的是,好积友是本着,就事论事的态度,来聊一聊这件事儿。这件事儿其实不是属于谁100%对或100%错,所以和交通事故有点像。国航在这件事儿上大概要承担大概60-70%的责任,而事主如果是因为贪便宜造成了此事发生(如果目的地不是像她所说的去珠海),那么就需要承担30%的责任。

这件事儿虽然事主描述的非常的感性和复杂,如果没理解错,应该她的票应该是这样的:

从珠海出发,在澳门乘飞机经北京前往巴黎的时候一切顺利,然后从巴黎经北京转机到澳门,然后再从澳门用其他交通工具回到珠海。

她在巴黎办理值机的时候被拒绝了,至于接下来发生的事情,好积友就不想深究了,因为在那种情况下,没有出现更坏的事情,已经是大幸了。

疑问一:这个行程理论上可以飞吗?

可以的。

1. 因为全团旅游的12人中,有两人拿着没有签注的港澳通行证放行了,如果按照巴黎国航经理的理论,如果最终目的地必须要求乘客出示港澳通行证,那么没有签注的港澳通行证和没有港澳通行证是一样的。我不信任何人可以拿着没有有效签注的港澳通行证前往港澳。

2. 国际民航界和奥运会有一点像,那就是香港、澳门、台湾都是自己组队参赛。作为两个特别行政区,香港和澳门也有自己的民航管理机构,在国际民航组织有自己的席位,所以其实它们理论上是独立的。这也是为什么,香港、澳门也有自己的对世界各国的免签政策。举一个极端的例子,如果一个外国人,它的护照没有享受香港和内地的免签政策的话,那么这个外国人是需要同时办理香港和中国内地的两个签证(Quora)。当然了,这种国家真的很少,估计北朝鲜是一个?但是因为香港和澳门又是中国的一部分,对于世界上大多数航空公司来说,如果你持中国护照前往香港和澳门,只需要说明你最后的目的地是中国内地,好积友还没有听说过那个航司拒绝过乘客登机。好积友最近一次搭乘最喜爱的长荣航空班机从芝加哥经台北到澳门再到珠海就一点问题都没有,而且并没有出示任何离开澳门的证据。

3. 根据澳门治安警察局的网站说法(见下图), 国航的行为完全是没有道理的。这里有一个很confuse的知识点:我们都知道,如果我们从内地前往香港、澳门,都是需要使用港澳通行证,或者护照上有港澳许可。但是事主这次,只是在北京转机,并没有经过北京的海关进入中国内地的领土。所以理论上,她还是在国际航班航程中(见疑问二,澳门是国际航班目的地)。如果同样的事情发生在了一个持澳门签证,但是没有中国签证的外国人身上(假设他是一个北朝鲜人),那么他是完全可以这样旅行的。

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疑问二:如果可以飞,为什么国航不让飞?(怕罚款?还是怕担责任)

第一,事主在文章里有说到,巴黎的值班经理有说怕被罚款,但是根据上面截图可知,如果给事主通行,国航是不需要承担责任的。难道是值班经理业务不熟悉,怕担责任?不知道值班经理现在在哪里啊?

第二,好积友简单的比较了一下巴黎飞澳门的机票和珠海的机票,可见下图,虽然价格(美金)没差多少,但是如果是12个人,加起来还是很可观的。而且,具体事主的旅行日期两个机场的价格对比可能会更大,一般来说,澳门为了吸引博彩人士(和拉斯维加斯一样),又澳门出港到港的航班都要便宜不少。所以这就是一个经济问题,通过这么一个大新闻,很多老实的百姓估计就再也不敢’占这个便宜’了。

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第三,单单对比珠海机场和澳门机场的航线就可以看出,如果从澳门出发,可以选择的国际航班要比珠海机场多很多。就像深圳机场和香港机场一样,这也是为什么很多居住在广东的,甚至是华南的居民都会考虑从澳门或者香港搭乘国际航班。选择多了,自然性价比也就高了。近几年,国内很多航司都开通了从二线城市前往北美和欧洲的航班,对于很多华南居民来说,他们可能不再需要从澳门香港出发了。如果事主真的是在珠海,选择从澳门出发还是很符合情理的。

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第四,国内航司的一贯作风。通过本次事件的后续发展,和媒体的相关报道,几乎是一边倒的在声讨事主。虽然好积友觉得事主的写作风格和处理非常事件的能力确实有待商榷,但是从根本来说,本件事情还是和我国载旗航司霸道惯了有直接原因。特别是,事主是从珠海出发,在澳门搭乘航班经北京前往的巴黎。这是一张往返票,为什么国航在每个转机值机,甚至是卖票的时候告知客人这些需要注意的问题。在买机票的时候,客人可是提供的是中国护照号码。这件事情发生以后,国航在八月七日的晚上六点钟发了这么一条微博,终于澄清了,我们这是霸王条款,爱飞不飞,终于和工商银行配对了(ICBC)。 其实从法律上来说,这名消费者并没有任何问题,而且在没有不诚实纪录的前提下,国航没有理由在回程的时候难为这12名旅客。

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Bottom Line

在此事出了以后,好积友希望所有生活在海外和需要经常国际旅行的朋友们注意,如果在价格差不多的情况下,尽量选择发达国家的航司(包括长荣航空),其实现在很多外国航司都会配备中文空乘,语言上应该完全没有问题。实在没有选择,尽量使用国外同联盟航司的常旅客计划,因为好积友说的。还有就是遇到类似事件的时候不要慌张,请记住好积友的网站,在和航司产生矛盾的时候,可以咨询我们,我们提供部分免费的咨询服务。最后,好积友本着负责任,求实,求真的态度,就去看了看法国机场值机终端里国际民用航空协会对于事主的情况是怎么个说法,请直接拉到红色黑体字部分

Information as of  07AUG17 / 1704 UTC
National China (People's Rep.) (CN)
Embarkation France (FR)
Transit China (People's Rep.) (CN)
Destination Macao (SAR China) (MO)
ALSO CHECK DESTINATION INFORMATION BELOW
China (People's Rep.) (CN)


Visa required, except for Nationals of China (People's Rep.).
Visa required, except for Passengers with a China (People's
Rep.) Travel Document (Lu Xing Zheng), or:
Visa required, except for Passengers with a Mainland Travel
Permit for Hong Kong and Macao Residents (Hui Xiang Zheng,
credit-card format) , or:
Visa required, except for Passengers with a China (People's
Rep.) Exit and Entry Permit, with an endorsement to travel to
China (People's Rep.).
TWOV (Transit Without Visa):
Visa required, except for Holders of confirmed onward air,
time
of 24 hours. Transit incl. multiple stops within China
(People's Rep.), with a total transit time of max. 24 hours,
is permitted. They must travel to a third country.  (SEE NOTE
74203) (SEE NOTE 74206)
- Transit without visa (TWOV) is not possible at Fuzhou
(FOC), Mudanjiang (MDG), Shenzhen (SZX) and Yanji (YNJ).
- This does not apply at Urumqi (URC).
NOTE 74203: This does not apply to passengers with a Hong
Kong (SAR China) passport.
NOTE 74206: This does not apply to passengers with a Macao
(SAR China) passport.
Visa required, except for Holders of confirmed onward airline
tickets, in transit through Urumqi (URC), for a max. transit
time of 2 hours. Transit incl. multiple stops
within China (People's Rep.), with a total transit time of
max. 24 hours, is permitted.  (SEE NOTE 74203) (SEE NOTE
74206)
NOTE 74203: This does not apply to passengers with a Hong
Kong (SAR China) passport.
NOTE 74206: This does not apply to passengers with a Macao
(SAR China) passport.
Visa required, except for Passengers with a Hong Kong (SAR
China) passport holding confirmed onward airline tickets to a
third country, in transit through Guangzhou (CAN), Shanghai
Pudong (PVG) or Beijing (PEK), for a maximum transit time of
24 hours.
Visa required, except for Passengers with a Macao (SAR China)
passport holding confirmed onward airline tickets to a third
country, in transit through Guangzhou (CAN), Shanghai Pudong
(PVG) or Beijing (PEK), for a maximum transit time of 24
hours.
-
- When transiting in Chengdu (CTU), carriers must send
notification to the CTU immigration office before departure.
China (People's Rep.) (CN)

Passengers arriving within 6 days after leaving or transiting

and not holding a yellow fever vaccination certificate are
subject to vaccination upon arrival. At the airport of Dalian
(DLC) passenger will be kept in quarantine for 10 days or
deported.

Exempt from Yellow Fever vaccination:
- Children under 9 months of age.
- Passengers transiting China (People's Rep.) if not leaving
the transit area.
- Passengers transiting countries with risk of yellow fever
transmission if not leaving the transit areas.

Macao (SAR China) (MO)

Passport required.
- Passports and other documents accepted for entry must be
valid for a minimum of 30 days beyond the period of intended
stay.
- Macao (SAR China) passport must be valid on arrival.
- Documents accepted for entry issued by Macao (SAR China)
must be valid on arrival.
- China (People's Rep.) Travel Permit to Hong Kong and Macao
(One-way Permit) must be valid on arrival.
Passport Exemptions:
- Passengers with a Macao (SAR China) identity card.
- Passengers with a Macao (SAR China) travel permit.
- Passengers with a visit permit to Hong Kong (SAR China) for
residents of Macao (SAR China) issued by Macao (SAR China).
- Passengers with a China (People's Rep.) Travel Document (Lu
Xing Zheng).
- Passengers with a Travel Permit to and from Hong Kong and
Macao, with an exit endorsement to Macao (SAR China).
- Passengers with a China (People's Rep.) Travel Permit to
Hong Kong and Macao (One-way Permit).
- Passengers with a Hong Kong (SAR China) permanent identity
card.
- Passengers with a China (People's Rep.) Travel Permit to and
from Taiwan (Lu Bao Zheng), with an "Exit endorsement to
Taiwan".

Visa required, except for Passengers with a Macao (SAR China
passport).
Visa required, except for Passengers with a Macao (SAR China)
ID card.
Visa required, except for Passengers with a Macao (SAR China)
Travel Permit.
Visa required, except for Passengers with a Visit Permit to
Hong Kong (SAR China) for residents of Macao (SAR China)
issued by Macao (SAR China).
Visa required, except for Passengers with a Travel Permit to
and from Hong Kong and Macao with an exit endorsement to Macao
(SAR China) .
Visa required, except for Passengers with a China (People's
Rep.) Travel Permit to Hong Kong and Macao (One-way Permit),
with an endorsement to travel to Macao (SAR China).
Visa required, except for Nationals of China (People's Rep.)
for a maximum stay of 7 days if in transit to/from a third
country and with onward tickets and all documents required for
next destination.
在上面这个condition下,事主是完全有足够的证明他们会回到珠海,而且他们是从法国到达澳门的(并没有在北京入境)
Visa required, except for Passengers with a China (People's
Rep.) Travel Permit to and from Taiwan (Lu Bao Zheng) with an
exit endorsement to Taiwan, if in transit to/from Chinese
Taipei for a maximum stay of 7 days.
Visa required, except for Passengers with a China (People's
Rep.) Travel Document (Lu Xing Zheng) for a maximum stay of 7
days if in transit to/from a third country and with onward
tickets and all documents required for next destination.
Visa required, except for Passengers with a Hong Kong (SAR
China) passport for a maximum stay of 7 days if in transit
to/from a third country and with onward tickets and all
documents required for next destination.
Visa required, except for Passengers with a Hong Kong
Permanent Identity Card for a maximum stay of 1 year.
Visa Issuance:
Visa required, except for Nationals of China (People's Rep.)
can obtain a multiple entry visa on arrival for a maximum stay
of 30 days.这个好积友还真不知道,所以国航在干嘛?
Visa required, except for Passengers with a Hong Kong (SAR
China) passport can obtain a multiple entry visa on arrival
for a maximum stay of 30 days.
Additional Information:
- Visitors are required to hold proof of sufficient funds (at
least MOP 5000.-) to cover their stay.
- Visitors can apply for a visa extension 5 days before the
expiry of their original visa.
Warning:
- Visitors not holding return/onward tickets could be refused
entry.

Macao (SAR China) (MO)

Vaccinations not required.
艾伦(Allan)同学在读了万卷书行了几万里路以后,觉得还得再读万卷书,再行几万里路。他认为所有消费行为也是投资行为,所以一定要在和银行,航空公司还有酒店集团打交道的过程中,尽可能的投资收益最大化。